Okay, here's a new whiskey poll for all of my American whiskey fans. This week's hypothetical scenario is as follows: because of the shortages and general craziness around the regular releases of Buffalo Trace Antique Collection and the Van Winkle line of bourbons and the frequent complaints from both consumers and retailers, Buffalo Trace and the Van Winkles have decided that everyone can choose access to one, and only one of these collections.
You have one chance to make a choice, and once you do, it's for life. You can't switch. Once you choose, you will have access to each expression in the release and can buy as many as you like. Assume for the purposes of the poll that no new expressions will be added, however, as in real life, we know that stocks of Stitzel-Weller are finite, so eventually, the Pappys that still use Stitzel-Weller bourbon (the 20 and 23 year old) will be switched to Buffalo Trace distillate.
Just to review, here are the bourbons you will have access to.
If you pick Buffalo Trace Antique Collection: George T. Stagg, William Larue Weller, Thomas Handy Rye, Sazerac 18 year old rye, Eagle Rare 17.
If you pick Van Winkle: Old Rip Van Winkle 10 year 90 proof, Old Rip Van Winkle 10 year 107 proof, Van Winkle 12 year Lot B, Van Winkle Family Reserve Rye and Pappy Van Winkle 15, 20 and 23 year old (Sorry, no Old Rip 23, that was a limited release).
So, which will it be? BTAC or Van Winkle?
Come on, variety rules the roost. It's not even close. BTAC.
ReplyDeleteVery difficult choice, but I would go with Pappy. It's hard to find a better bourbon in that age bracket. While I like the BTAC, I think there are better ryes available.
ReplyDeleteRyan's dead on. It's BTAC in a walk.
ReplyDeleteLook, I like Pappy. I think it's a really well-made bourbon. But I think it is far and away the most overrated bourbon in the universe and does not deserve the level of hysteria and insanity that has been going hand in hand with it lately. I have had the privilege of having a few Stitzel-Weller whiskeys beyond PVW and they're all really good. But you know what? They're not the end-all, be-all of whiskey. It's honestly become a bit boring because it's this shorthand for "untouchably good bourbon".
Yes, it's really good. But it's not as good as everyone really wants it to be. The Parker's Heritage whiskeys are really good. High West has had some stellar ones. And, yeah, BTAC is extremely solid as well.
That's not to say that BTAC doesn't suffer from hype and craziness (and I wish they'd drop ER17 for a mashbill #2 at barrel proof) but it seems to invite less out-and-out-idiocy. Pappy release time is about as annoying April 1 on the internet.
I don't like these all or nothing decisions; they make me anxious.
ReplyDeleteI love the Stagg, but can only take so much of it. I love the Handy and can take more. The Saz18 is delicious, but a bit erratic from year to year, and there's no way of knowing what the new distillate will taste like when these tanked stocks dry up. ER17 is noble, but with CEHT taking priority at BT, who knows what's to come in the future from this under-proofed underdog? And, with the Van Winkles getting priority on all the ruby wheats, Weller is falling to the wayside.
Honestly, I think I'd take the Van Winkle and just hoard all the old-stock VWFRR until it's gone. Then I'd be left with the cream of BT's wheater crop, and still have access to PHC and Four Roses.
BTAC for me as well simply based on variety and options. There is something for everyone.
ReplyDeleteWhat are y'all thinking!!! I would take the Stitzel-Weller all day any day... Give me the 20 Year and 23 Year. I can get the BTAC (minus Stagg) still to this day at the local liquor stores, and thus Ryan is in paradise right now.
ReplyDeleteAccording to your rules Sku, BTAC by a mile!
ReplyDeleteNow, if SW juice was infinitely pouring, we all know you wouldn't be asking this question.
BTAC. If all I had were wheaters and one rye, I'd go nuts. I might miss some of the roundness and fruitiness of the van Winkles, but WLW makes a pretty good pour, enough that I wouldn't pine for Pappy.
ReplyDeleteI'll take ORVW products and let BTEC, EHT, PHC, FRLESB, High West, Hirsch, Willett/BMH/Vintage, Bowman, dusties; and sporadic special release Wild Turkey fill the void left by BTAC.
ReplyDeleteWow, I thought everyone would be on the BTAC side, so it's surprising to read some VW supporters. The only VW I really enjoy is the 15. The 20 and 23 are over the hill and overpriced for that matter. Even disregarding the value factor, I'd generally take any of the BTAC over the VW 20 and 23 year old. Add in the value factor though and it's absurd to pay two to three times for the 23 as the BTAC. The sheer variety, quality, and value of the BTAC makes it the easy winner. It's almost an unfair question. You might as well ask people if they prefer receiving a million dollars (tax free) or a kick in the crotch.
ReplyDelete@James: That's a bit hyperbolic. VWSR 12 and PVW 15 are my go-to bourbons. And I enjoy ORVW 10 in an Old Fashioned. Sure, I could buy WLW and cut-it down, but I've disliked releases of WLW dominated by oak, so relying on WLW (for the flavor profile of wheated Bourbon that I enjoy) would be a feast or famine endeavor. Same goes for all others in the BTAC line-up; if a GTS, ER17, or Saz18 were drenched in oak then it's wasted on me and I'd have to try again the next year. But I can also appreciate that others don't mind heavy oak, or have a passion for Rye, so BTAC is very appealing to them. It's just comes down to personal preference and there's nothing wrong with that.
ReplyDeleteVariety, variety, variety...and top notch stuff as well, BTAC. Can't take anything away from VW products, but the quality and breadth of BTAC takes the cake here
ReplyDeleteVariety? I'll say that there's plenty of variety between the ORVW 10 & 12, the PVW 15, and my favorite rye the VWFR Rye. As much as I love the Saz 18 and GTS, I'll stick with Van Winkle for the 15yr, Rye, and the affordability of the 10yr ($45-50 compared with having to shell out $70+ for the BTAC bottles...just sayin' haha)
ReplyDeleteSeriously, how is this even close? BTAC by a mile. If the Stitzel-Weller barrels were never ending you'd have an argument. Barrel proof bourbon, barrel proof wheated bourbon, barrel proof rye, and well aged rye against overaged BT wheated bourbon and a well aged rye that is only arguably better than the other?
ReplyDeleteIn order to keep the BTAC hype train from becoming like the Van Winkle releases, maybe I should change my vote. Um...Van Winkle is my answer...
Btac
ReplyDeleteBTAC by a mile. The Rip Van Winkle stuff is sure tasty, but the variety offered by BTAC trumps it.
ReplyDeleteUh, let me see...either a very limited-mashbill lineup of excellent yet somewhat overaged and overpriced stocks, already or soon to be replaced by entirely different distillate, or...
ReplyDelete...a broad variety of mashbills of various ages, including vibrant, young whiskeys and much older whiskeys, many at barrel proof, available annually in my home state of Pennsylvania at $60 each?
No question from where I stand. I stand with Buffalo Trace. Sorry, Pappy. Doesn't mean I don't love you!
P.S. Comparing the BTAC Handy rye to the Van Winkle 13, there's no comparison in my world. The Handy is the essence of great rye, what
ReplyDeleteVan Winkle wishes it could be.
Van Winkle for one reason: I think the 15 is the best product of all. Better than the BTAC group, better than anything, really. Just my humble, bourbon-soaked opinion.
ReplyDeletePappy is fantastic bourbon but impossible to get. OWA is fantastic bourbon that will soon be impossible to get--literally. What is the point in asking the question if BT is discontinuing OWA as I have heard?
ReplyDeleteMaybe because Old Weller Antique is not part of the Antique Collection.
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